Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Eiron on Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:29 am

Going off of the plot explanation that formula1 provided:

OK. CRAZY THEORIZING TIME. Now, Master Hand has been pretty definitively shown to be the embodiement of creative power in the Smash Universe. So, more or less, creativity, imagination, and the power to make it happen.

Tabuu's analysis requires looking into some symbolism. If the analysis that formula1 brought up is correct, and I think it mostly is with some differences, Tabuu represents the loss of such feelings. More precisely, an apathy towards them.

First, the name. Tabuu. Taboo, the traditional spelling that the name was based on, is defined as "forbidden to be used, mentioned, or approached because of social or cultural rather than legal prohibitions."

Next, appearance. Tabuu appears to be, well, old. Markedly different from the childish incarnations of the Master and Crazy Hands. Also, he exhibits an enormous amount of visual flair and raw power.

And finally, actions. Master Hand, the creative spirit of the Smash Universe, is bound in chains while Tabuu spreads conflict and drags the world into darkness.

ALL TOGETHER NOW. So, it is possible that Tabuu in someway represents the older, "mature" gamer who has abandoned the creativity of the Wii for more powerfull systems with more beautiful graphics. Nintendo repeatedly stated it wanted to leave behind the old console war dynamics, where the nature of the competition was tying Nintendo's hands (as it were), and hastening the destruction of the industry.

AP Literature will make you think like this. formula1, I know this isn't what you had in mind, but hey. Do I believe this? Not really. But art is just as much what the viewer makes of it as what the artist intended, and Kazushige Nojima (Final Fantasy) wrote the story, SO WHO KNOWS!?

I'm going to bed.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  zach also rises on Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:23 am

As an English major, I'm only too familiar with reading too deeply into stuff.

Master and Crazy Hands, they are pretty clearly supposed to represent the ideas expressed by their trophies and the opening of the original game. I mean, that's solid.

Tabuu, I think, just sucks. Fuck that guy.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Gorblax on Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:48 am

"Tabuu, I think, just sucks. Fuck that guy."

I can see why you're an english major. That bordered on poetic.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  rockstarnick on Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:33 am

that line was so poetic it might have brought a tear to my eye

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Ninja Penguin on Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:19 pm

Tabuu = prettyful butterfly.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Gorblax on Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:09 pm

Oooo.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  SurgePox on Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:14 pm

Yeah, please don't include tabuu, He is worthless.

many thanks.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Blue Madness on Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:23 pm

*Just made an accout for the sole reason of commenting here*

I was thinking about how Master Hand and Crazy Hand could be portrayed... And I just happened to imagine, what if there was this one TwoFace-ish character, that has a bad case of multiple personality disorder, and takes pleasure in creating stuff ("Master Hand" personality) and destroying them afterwards ("Crazy Hand" personality), and wears white gloves (duh?). I didn't think about what the actual role of this character would be, I just... imagined him. And, since Kirby was portrayed in a Hannibal fashion, I thought it wouldn't hurt if there was a character like this...

Rikus wrote:If you're definitely working with ROB, couldn't you maybe have a scene where you get a peek inside his closet and see the green cap and cloak...?
I also find this suggestion neat. I would suggest the Ancient Minister wasn't even mentioned at all, but I think this reference would be clever.
And fuck Tabuu, he is useless. The only reference he deserves is one where he gets pwned.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Gorblax on Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:56 am

Why would we be snooping around ROB's closet?

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Blue Madness on Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:06 am

Actually, I thought his closet would simply be open, and the green garb visible as an easter egg, so no one would be snooping, it would kinda be just there. Just don't know if this is what Rikus thought as well.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Gorblax on Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:02 am

Doesn't sound too likely. I doubt ROB will be significant enough to warrant a visit to his home.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Blue Madness on Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:15 am

Well, that's just something that could be done IN CASE the opportunity arised, anyway...
What about the Master/Crazy Hand idea, though?

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Eiron on Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:07 pm

^I thought it kicked ass.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Relmitos on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:44 pm

At this point, if they indeed take our suggestions, there WILL be a master/crazy hand reference at least, if not more.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  SurgePox on Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:52 pm

Seeing as they asked us for suggestions, and the general consensus was for a Hands reference, you can pretty much bet that they are gonna try to work it in.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  zach also rises on Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:10 pm

Alright guys, I thought about it and I remembered all that shit about Tabuu having Master Hand in chains and he turns everyone back into trophies and shit. So yeah, it does seem pretty obvious that the idea behind him is sort of a "death of childhood" kind of thing going on.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Eiron on Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:26 pm

So....does that increase his chances of an appearance or reference?

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Formula1 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:20 am

Eiron wrote:Going off of the plot explanation that formula1 provided:

OK. CRAZY THEORIZING TIME. [spoilers]Now, Master Hand has been pretty definitively shown to be the embodiement of creative power in the Smash Universe. So, more or less, creativity, imagination, and the power to make it happen.

Tabuu's analysis requires looking into some symbolism. If the analysis that formula1 brought up is correct, and I think it mostly is with some differences, Tabuu represents the loss of such feelings. More precisely, an apathy towards them.

First, the name. Tabuu. Taboo, the traditional spelling that the name was based on, is defined as "forbidden to be used, mentioned, or approached because of social or cultural rather than legal prohibitions."

Next, appearance. Tabuu appears to be, well, old. Markedly different from the childish incarnations of the Master and Crazy Hands. Also, he exhibits an enormous amount of visual flair and raw power.

And finally, actions. Master Hand, the creative spirit of the Smash Universe, is bound in chains while Tabuu spreads conflict and drags the world into darkness.

ALL TOGETHER NOW. So, it is possible that Tabuu in someway represents the older, "mature" gamer who has abandoned the creativity of the Wii for more powerfull systems with more beautiful graphics. Nintendo repeatedly stated it wanted to leave behind the old console war dynamics, where the nature of the competition was tying Nintendo's hands (as it were), and hastening the destruction of the industry.[/spoilers]

AP Literature will make you think like this. formula1, I know this isn't what you had in mind, but hey. Do I believe this? Not really. But art is just as much what the viewer makes of it as what the artist intended, and Kazushige Nojima (Final Fantasy) wrote the story, SO WHO KNOWS!?

I'm going to bed.

I see the connection quite clearly....
Its Hype vs Love

Ps3 and Xbox represent a culture that is based off hype of games and people only getting them because of their names. Final Fantasy, Halo, Bioshock and every other fps available for the systems.

While the wii is meant to be played for fun, entertainment and love. Where everygame is different (Like everycharacter is different)


As For Tabuu....
-If you even think about putting him in... I would suggest making him someone that is disconnnected from the world... That doesn't need to care anymore... And sees the world in its horrible shape, can easily do something about it... but would rather not....


He isn't a corrupted individual.... He just doesn't care... He's beyond Trying to help out the poor man getting a job, or seeking to make sure law and order goes the way it should.
He's beyond figuring out ways for us all to live at peace again, and would rather take the path of least resistance if he takes any at all.

Which Forces him to seek to Stop the only force that gave him anything in the first place....
THe Force of Imagination



I know it was farfetched...
But it makes oto much sense...
I skipped most of the cutscenes for brawl...
But the ones I did see, the boss battles...

Its too clear....
Tabuu, "growing up", apathy, it will be the true destruction...

While Crazy and Master Hand are just simply to sides of the same coin.
Crazy Hand-Sins of the ignorant (Crazy people kill and don't realize what they did)
Master Hand-Love of the Truth (The truth about HOW AWESOME HITMONCHAN WOULD BE IN BRAWL ^_________^)

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  SurgePox on Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:36 am

Formula1 wrote:Ps3 and Xbox represent a culture that is based off hype of games and people only getting them because of their names. Final Fantasy, Halo, Bioshock and every other fps available for the systems.

them's fightin' words.

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Formula1 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:08 am

SurgePox wrote:
Formula1 wrote:Ps3 and Xbox represent a culture that is based off hype of games and people only getting them because of their names. Final Fantasy, Halo, Bioshock and every other fps available for the systems.

them's fightin' words.

I'll Have you know, I got bored of my wii after brawl....
And I do Like Halo
ANd I'm Excited for Kingdom Hearts....

Though I hated Bioshock


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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Rikus on Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:19 pm

Yeah, I imagined it as a non-prominent object in the background, though Mario and Luigi would have more than an excuse to pry through his belongings if he was the body dismemberer *Dramtic music*

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Eiron on Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:54 pm

Formula1, you are so awesome. And chill Surge! I may have thought Halo 3 was garbage, but that's besides the point! Very Happy

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Formula1 on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:36 pm

Eiron wrote:Formula1, you are so awesome. And chill Surge! I may have thought Halo 3 was garbage, but that's besides the point! Very Happy

It also gets eerie When you see parts of yourself as the villians.

I want to grow up and actually become Tabuu.
I want to grow up and Become a valuable part of society.
But at the Same time, I don't want to become a villian, I don't want to harm my past which I feel like would happen. I don't want to make peoples lives difficult or painful.

But as is obvious, unless you become a worthy member, your doing nothing but taking up space.

However, I think thats one of the interesting parts about each of the heroes.
-Mario Became a Member, but still will fight for what he loves (Even though She's sleeping around on him...)
-Samus is a Member by necessity, but does it on her terms (Valkarie)
-Captain falcon makes his involvement what he loves most (speed)
-Pokemon join because they are happier that way (are fed and pet and stuff)
-Gannon decides to BECOME society... WHOS SCREWING WHO NOW?!?!

I'd say the only ones that are out of place are
-Sonic-Still lives in the forest and fights society and their invasion
-Snake-Born from society for a purpose and thus never had a choice to be in or out

But then again..... I don't know the background of ever character...

Brawl....
An Acid trip of a videogames...

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  SurgePox on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:40 pm

Formula1 wrote:

I'll Have you know, I got bored of my wii after brawl....
And I do Like Halo
ANd I'm Excited for Kingdom Hearts....

Though I hated Bioshock
And if you're already bored of the Wii, might I suggest No More Heroes?

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Re: Question: Original Brawl characters: Who cares?

Post  Blue Madness on Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:49 pm

Formula1 wrote:-Gannon decides to BECOME society...
GANNON-BANNED!!!
I love this stuff XD sorry for coming back to bother you, Formula1 XD

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