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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Perry on Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:12 pm

Poll says he'll be let go anyway so far, no one's changing their mind, so what does it matter :p

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SurgePox on Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:18 pm

Warchamp7 wrote:
Weldar wrote:Fobby's currently on a week long temp ban anyway so this poll will probably stay open until that is up. If you feel there's no need to continue the discussion feel free to stop posting in this thread and go back to your regular forum surfing, all talk related to the topic should be confined to this thread after all.

So the ones who don't think fobby deserves a ban should just stop voicing their opinions and leave this thread to be a fobby bashing playground. Sounds like a great idea Weldar, why didn't I think of it.
My original intent for this thread was to make it non discussion, and poll only. We wanted people to elaborate their thoughts so it remained an open discussion. I am on the fence as to whether or not that was a good idea, as I am afraid this might be dividing the forum. We came to you guys because we wanted to know what you all thought on the matter. Rather, we were receiving enough complaints about his behavior, and wanted to make sure we were serving the collective interests of the forums. What I expected, and what ended up happening, were radically different. I expected a few people for nothing, a few for perm, but a general lumping around the middle with temp ban or rng ban. Instead, i found we were really divided as a forum over Fobbs. Some people think he's making the place better, some think he's ruining their experience, and want him gone for good.
As a mod, I cannot fall back on what we the mod group felt was best for the community, as we've committed to serve the results of this poll. this makes me feel like a bad mod, because what I am doing is alienating the interests of the people who were fired up enough about the situation to come to me. At the same time, this poll is showing me that by working for them, I am turning my back on the majority who feel just as passionate about keeping Fobby around. It's a tough spot, and I am going to have to side with the poll winners. However, I feel it necessary to point out that whether or not you yourself can overlook it, fobby IS breaking rules, particularly the three Raya pointed out earlier. Do these infractions merit a permanent ban? Probably not. With the exception of some aggression towards other members, what he does merits a two week ban at most, imo. However, rules are being broken, and the message I fear I am getting from the community is that we shouldn't bother enforcing rules. I try not to be a stickler for rules, but even I find that a pretty heavy conclusion.
Just, think about it.

For I believe the third time, you're all retarded. This whole incident has been blown way the fuck out of proportion and is turning users against each other. You know what Fobbys doing right now? Laughing his fucking ass off at you guys overreacting like this.
This last line in particular baffles me. How we're all afraid of fobby "winning." How it somehow bothers us to see him get what he wants, even if that outcome happening doesn't terribly impede us. I am not afraid to openly discuss how I feel about fobby, even if what I am saying produced an effect that he desired. I don't care if he "wins" or if he is laughing at what I say. To me, it's worse to not do what I want to do because I am afraid someone will get their kicks than to let them dictate how I act and react because I don't want them to see me sweat.

Oh, and really, stop just straight insulting other members. You're the only one who can't participate in this discussion without it, and although I can easily imagine you saying it in a way that isn't meant to be terribly degrading, it's coming off as so, so I'm going to ask you to stop. Insults at the expense of the mentally handicapped are particularly stated up in the rules as being something we don't want around here.
King Avalanche wrote:Warchamp, and other Fobby supporters for that matter, I do want to ask something, and I want you to consider this rationally.

If any newbie, or anyone beside Fobby would act like he does, would you tolerate it? Imagine.....Darkfalco acting like Fobby does, would you tolerate it?

I wandered this myself and found that, I wouldnt, Hence I am for a ban.
I find this to be particularly poignant, because when I search my feelings, I find that, if it hadn't been fobby, I probably wouldn't have bothered with the thread and just banned him. This is something people have been observing about internet communities since the dawn of the internet, that the longer a member has been around, the less likely they are to be held to the same standards as newbies. I'm curious, how do you all feel about this? is it right? Does it matter? Fobby is ingrained in this forums life and culture, as evident by the massive support in his favor. Does this mean he should be exempt from the rules we all are suppossed to follow? These are tough questions, and ones I couldn't answer myself. I won't blame you if you can't answer them either.


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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Perry on Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:29 pm

I can't speak for other people voting "pro-fobby". I myself am not "pro-fobby", i am just against the commotion that is thrown against him and about him. It's overdramatic and unnecessary, which was my first arguement in this thread.
I guess I got sucked into the whole pro/anti fobby arguement.

If he had been banned permanently without any of this commotion, I wouldn't really give two shits about it.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:42 pm

SurgePox wrote:Oh, and really, stop just straight insulting other members. You're the only one who can't participate in this discussion without it, and although I can easily imagine you saying it in a way that isn't meant to be terribly degrading, it's coming off as so, so I'm going to ask you to stop. Insults at the expense of the mentally handicapped are particularly stated up in the rules as being something we don't want around here.

No.

King Avalanche wrote:Warchamp, and other Fobby supporters for that matter, I do want to ask something, and I want you to consider this rationally.

If any newbie, or anyone beside Fobby would act like he does, would you tolerate it? Imagine.....Darkfalco acting like Fobby does, would you tolerate it?

I wandered this myself and found that, I wouldnt, Hence I am for a ban.

I would continue to not give a shit. Do you know how many times Fobby has personally attacked me? Zero.

Wanna know the secret? I'll share with you all: Stop caring.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SnakeInABox on Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:17 pm

Viero wrote:Besides just because some people disagree on here does not mean it will effect anything.

Wow, that's funny. You just summed up the entire problem.

Stop worrying about Fobby. It doesn't matter.

If a new person acted like Fobby did, I would Initiate them so fast they wouldn't want to be on this forum, even if they could.

Because a new person doesn't have that right. They don't know us, they weren't here through all the good and bad times.

Fobby does know us, and has been here longer than most of us. He defeated Zach Poochy, guessed the killers, and gave me more lulz than Furrys give Hans hate.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Doctor Shulk on Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:39 pm

But if he's breaking the rules blatantly, he should be punished - as anyone who does should.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SurgePox on Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:05 pm

Warchamp7 wrote:
SurgePox wrote:Oh, and really, stop just straight insulting other members. You're the only one who can't participate in this discussion without it, and although I can easily imagine you saying it in a way that isn't meant to be terribly degrading, it's coming off as so, so I'm going to ask you to stop. Insults at the expense of the mentally handicapped are particularly stated up in the rules as being something we don't want around here.

No.
This isn't the time to be facetious. You're directly violating a major rule.

I would continue to not give a shit. Do you know how many times Fobby has personally attacked me? Zero.

Wanna know the secret? I'll share with you all: Stop caring.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting. You care about this issue. People on both sides of this issue care, or there would be no sides.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  DRTJR on Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:41 pm

I would say he's entertaining... That's my take, In my Youth(Forum wise) I'd have voted perma ban but then I realized He was sort of a Cerberus for the Forum, forcing those with week wills to leave so that the strong stay and have well meaning debates with each other without fearing being labeled a fanboy. That is why we are both small and well connected, We're not friendly to n00bs. so I voted to let him be Fobby.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:41 pm

SurgePox wrote:
Warchamp7 wrote:
SurgePox wrote:Oh, and really, stop just straight insulting other members. You're the only one who can't participate in this discussion without it, and although I can easily imagine you saying it in a way that isn't meant to be terribly degrading, it's coming off as so, so I'm going to ask you to stop. Insults at the expense of the mentally handicapped are particularly stated up in the rules as being something we don't want around here.

No.
This isn't the time to be facetious. You're directly violating a major rule.

I would continue to not give a shit. Do you know how many times Fobby has personally attacked me? Zero.

Wanna know the secret? I'll share with you all: Stop caring.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be posting. You care about this issue. People on both sides of this issue care, or there would be no sides.

Kay, I'll show I don't care and leave this thread as it is. You guys can enjoy your circlejerk

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  HUDSONBOY111 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:22 pm

I know I'm a n00b, and I know that people are entitled to their opinions, but I also know that rules are in place for a reason, and that flat-out insulting comments are unnecessary and shouldn't be tolerated.

Fobby has failed to comply to rules that this forum has established on multiple occasions, so proper course of action would be to ban him for, presumably, a large amount of time. Just because he's a tenured forumer doesn't mean he should have special rights and privileges that anybody else lacks. Justice is blind, justice should be served.

This is a bit of a peculiar circumstance, since the moderators have left it up to the masses to decide upon the punishment of this troll, but there judgement is best. So I have stated my opinion, cast my vote, and now leave you to do the same.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  DRTJR on Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:47 pm

Honestly we shouldn't let civility rule over us with an iron fist is fobby a troll yes but he's our troll, an intelligible troll and one we should feed on occasion. and if you think Fobbs is ruining this forum I have been on Forums that troll have over ran and those troll are out to destroy. Fobbs is just here to remind us we're all assholes, and that we should be asshole when others deserve to be belittle for stupidity. If we strike down Fobbs another will take his place like a hydra till the point where we're over run. I say temp ban when he gets a little out of hand and other wise he just fobbs, after I don't think any of us are petty enough to take what he says to heart...Fobby is a guy right?

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Smashy B on Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:10 pm

My intent behind this thread was to see in an open fashion what everyone thought. If there was any hint from the OP that the situation had to be super serious than I apologize. With it I wanted to have a little fun with the situation and show that the mods and I have a sense of humor about this. But we are here to listen, and if it's settled on letting him go then fine. Just know that if nothing changes (or if it gets worse) and we end up having to deal with the same crap, the decision will likely be overruled to a permaban... or maybe RNG if I can argue that one through cause frankly those are most fun for me. :B

I must say, the number of people who voted to let him go is really surprising to me. I was also expecting the votes to be divided on how Surge described earlier.

Also, if I counted right, the 7 day suspension Fobby is currently on is his 7th ban. I like having Fobby around for what he has contributed in the past. I have defended him before, but lately with the persistent insults I felt like what I did before was a waste. Fobby has been given a lot of slack, and it does work into his benefit that he was here since the beginning and had made plenty worthwhile contributions while any antics were benign (or awesome with the Poochy thing mentioned). Other people like Matti or Null/Terra, were either an asshole or a pain in the ass from the beginning, so little sympathy was had. Hell, with Null, we arguably wasted a lot of time with her when a simple ban early on would have made everything easier. But permabans have been something I'd like to think of as a last resort.

Anyway, aside from any bad vibes that may have come off from this, I kind of like what I've been reading. My intent in this thread was not to turn people against each other, and if that has happened I apologize (wasn't really trying to make it that much like mafia). I do think that there have been plenty of mature and intellectual thoughts and opinions coming from you guys here and what has been said is being listened to.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SnakeInABox on Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:20 pm

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Sorry theres no bold. I posted this from my MOTHERFUCKING KINDLE. I dont even know why a virtual book has internet. But i am not going to argue.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Omicron Austin on Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:46 pm

I like Fobby. He makes me laugh, and he makes good points sometimes. He's an important personality to the forum, I think, and like some of you have said, I haven't personally seen anything ban-worthy come out of Fobby, ever.

I say, let him stay.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Raya on Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:32 am

Warchamp7 wrote:My feelings were not hurt, I just don't like people stating their opinion as a fact, especially when they don't know the full details of the matter. You called it a terrible recolour when it was in fact a recolour based on the colours of his pseudonym.

"This song is bad" vs "I don't like this song at all" etc. This applies even more when the song or art IS good and there isn't really a reason to hate it. The art for that video is exceptionally well drawn.

I said this in the thread, stop grasping at straws.

Oh War, you crazy hypocrite you.

As Smash mentioned, we've been talking about this a lot, and this thread was made to ask the opinions of everyone. I am genuinely surprised at the amount of butthurt you're displaying. If you disagree with what others have been saying then explain your own point of view and refute theirs. Don't go throwing a tantrum and claiming everyone who has a different opinion is an idiot. I expected better from you.

In answer to your earlier point, and also to answer Perry's question, I can't stand Fobby. Not that I disagree with trolling behaviour, far from it- the resident troll of the forum I used to visit before here was highly regarded and a master at what he did. Fobby, however, is not. Every post you can guarantee is either 'mispell words' or 'say something insulting about the above poster'. Every. Single. Time. It's painfully unfunny to the point of embarassment. He posts a lot but contributes nothing. It's incredibly tiresome to have to wade through so much crap just to get to the decent posts everybody else makes.

Then, of course, there's the 'one rule for you/one rule for everyone else'. Why should a single person be exempt from constant rule breaking? If I started spamming roms and porn everywhere I'd expect to be banned. We've been very lenient on him, but now it's getting beyond a joke. He's had slaps on the wrists, he's had repeated warnings, but every time it's just the same cycle of crap, and quite frankly it's getting tiresome. It's deliberate misbehaviour designed to antagonise all the other members, and that shouldn't be stood for regardless of who's doing it.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:50 am

Raya wrote:
In answer to your earlier point, and also to answer Perry's question, I can't stand Fobby. Not that I disagree with trolling behaviour, far from it- the resident troll of the forum I used to visit before here was highly regarded and a master at what he did.

That would be Snake and I round here

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Ansem on Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:24 pm

Warchamp7 wrote:
Raya wrote:
In answer to your earlier point, and also to answer Perry's question, I can't stand Fobby. Not that I disagree with trolling behaviour, far from it- the resident troll of the forum I used to visit before here was highly regarded and a master at what he did.

That would be Snake and I round here

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:08 pm

Ansem wrote:
Warchamp7 wrote:
Raya wrote:
In answer to your earlier point, and also to answer Perry's question, I can't stand Fobby. Not that I disagree with trolling behaviour, far from it- the resident troll of the forum I used to visit before here was highly regarded and a master at what he did.

That would be Snake and I round here

dream on.

You wanna start this? I'm loving this thread so far.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SnakeInABox on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:39 pm

Warchamp7 wrote:
Raya wrote:
In answer to your earlier point, and also to answer Perry's question, I can't stand Fobby. Not that I disagree with trolling behaviour, far from it- the resident troll of the forum I used to visit before here was highly regarded and a master at what he did.

That would be Snake and I round here

Yaboi.

Also Raya, your just jelly.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:40 pm

So jelly

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Omicron Austin on Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:56 pm

Warchamp7 wrote:Kay, I'll show I don't care and leave this thread as it is. You guys can enjoy your circlejerk

>implying this didn't happen
>mfw half of the posts after that post are Warchamp





Channeling 4chan felt like the most effective way to do this.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Minby_Aran on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:03 pm

>Was about to post that this isn't 4chan
>Saw the last line of your post
>prays You're not a /b/tard


...Aaaaaaaaaaand time to stop being off topic, Fobby, damnit, what should we do about him?

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  SnakeInABox on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:08 pm

Grow some balls and let him stay

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Omicron Austin on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:23 pm

Minby_Aran wrote:>Was about to post that this isn't 4chan
>Saw the last line of your post
>prays You're not a /b/tard

Nay, I'm a /v/tard. Although I rarely post.

And if the votes are any indication, we're letting him stay. I think Smashbro confirmed this sometime earlier in the thread.

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Re: The Trial of the Troll

Post  Warchamp7 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 pm

Omicron Austin wrote:
Warchamp7 wrote:Kay, I'll show I don't care and leave this thread as it is. You guys can enjoy your circlejerk

>implying this didn't happen
>mfw half of the posts after that post are Warchamp

I lied, how mad are you?

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