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The Body Politic

Post  SurgePox on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:45 am

I think with recent elections in the USA and many of us entering young adulthood a political discussion thread could prove a lively and interesting place for us to discuss views on politics, politicians, law, current events, and even our own philosophies. Feel free to expand the current Whatever thread discussion into this thread. It will allow people who are not interested to ignore it and those who are avid to discuss without pulling others into it unwittingly.

No hard rules but some pointers:
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2. Keep it civil
3. Don't share unless you are comfortable with have your opinions challenged, since it is almost inevitable someone will not share your view on an issue

We may have had a thread about this already but that was like 4 years ago and it's the thread that ended up becoming the whatever thread so this is valid.
Also if this thread is a dud it can get wiped.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SnakeInABox on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:46 am

Holy fuck I was just thinking of making a politics thread. On Surge, my love, you are one in a million
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Re: The Body Politic

Post  TheTJ on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:50 am

Politicians in general tend to be awful people to run countries, but they're the only ones running for office. Being Republican or Democrat in America often boils down to "My team is better than yours" rather than a discussion of the issues.

Worst part is, anyone sane enough to help fix the system is also probably sane enough not to get involved in the first place.

Just some lines and opinions I'm regurgitating from an old cracked article thoughts I had.


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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SurgePox on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:56 am

TheTJ wrote: Politicians in general tend to be awful people to run countries, but they're the only ones running for office. Being Republican or Democrat in America often boils down to "My team is better than yours" rather than a discussion of the issues.

Worst part is, anyone sane enough to help fix the system is also probably sane enough not to get involved in the first place.
Agree and disagree, i think your analysis is correct, completely. The people who run the country are very rarely fully interested in the true well being of the people they serve, or willing to explore nonpartisan options, ideas, or comparative political solutions. However I disagree with the notion that anyone can come along and "fix" things, what fixes a bad system is an informed public of people who understand their civic duty, and in the case of a system that fails the people it serves, that duty is to be more active than jsut casting votes ones every 4 years and trusting the guy you picked to be fully accountable. You have to be informed, educated, andable to be an influential citizen at the individual level, and a lot of us need to be this kind of citizen in order to fix our ills. Will this happen? Is this possible? I'd be crazy not to be somewhat skeptical.

But in short the way you solve shitty systems is informed, committed groups of individuals performing their civic duty and making good for their community. Sometimes but not always this is called revolution but revolution has bloody and extreme connotations and civic duty isn't necessarily that radical.

EDIT; In rereading your post, I realize that you didnt really necessarily imply that a sane individual need be only a single sane individual, so my point about public awareness and duty is somewhat moot. I still like it though.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Fedaykin on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:45 am

Ohey Whatever Thread 2: Electric Bugaloo Razz

Used to be very interested in politics, but our current politicians lack charisma, bicker all the time and corruption is rampant, if you believe the newspapers. Luckily, there are two new parties forming, the Pirates(the German movement being their inspiration, but lack any sort of program) and Team Stronach for Austria(funded and run by 80-something yo Austro-Canadian billionaire Frank Stronach). Well, at least they bring something new to the table.
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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Doctor Shulk on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:17 am

Meanwhile, in Australia: the Speaker of the House of Parliament sent thousands of rude text messages (including referring to vaginas as being like mussels, just generally being lewd and unpleasant). He resigned after the current government worked to keep him in parliament, while getting angry at the opposition for being sexist. Apparently, the Prime Minister doesn't like it that she is referred to as, well, she. :U

So Australian politics right now is pretty much a debate about gender and sexism (the opposition leader is a staunch Catholic, with strong religious beliefs. He has said some things in the past that have been taken badly, like saying abortion was the easy way out (in 1998, when he was Health Minister), but not in recent times. The prime minister, meanwhile, is an athiest). I'm not defending either of them but this is all incredibly silly and they're really picking stupid things to get upset over. The opposition has not made any really sexist comments recently and all the sexism has come from a radio broadcaster known for being 'shocking' and incredibly right wing, and the speaker of the house and his lovely analogies for vaginas.

So yeah, Australian politics is basically arguing over vaginas.

Edit: I never thought I'd use the word 'vagina' so many times in a single post. :U


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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Avalanche on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:37 am

Yeah, European politics are currently too busy screwing each other over......Dutch politicians meanwhile are slowly killing the education system.

'Don't worry, the fine for those who study longer then 4 years is gone. Instead we'll completly change the studyfunding system to be twice as expensive for students and basically screw everyone who wants to live in a studentsapartment over. Have we mentioned we wanted Holland to become one of the biggest knowledge-economies in the world yet?'

Incredibly summarized, there are probably some nuances in there. Fuck it, I'm moving to Denmark.
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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Doctor Shulk on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:44 am

King Avalanche wrote:Yeah, European politics are currently too busy screwing each other over......Dutch politicians meanwhile are slowly killing the education system.

'Don't worry, the fine for those who study longer then 4 years is gone. Instead we'll completly change the studyfunding system to be twice as expensive for students and basically screw everyone who wants to live in a studentsapartment over. Have we mentioned we wanted Holland to become one of the biggest knowledge-economies in the world yet?'

Incredibly summarized, there are probably some nuances in there. Fuck it, I'm moving to Denmark.

There...was a fine for people who study longer than 4 years?

What the fuck :U I would be screwed, as would anyone doing a long course, like Medicine, or a dual degree like Arts/Law :U

But yeah, that sounds pretty shit. Australian education is okay...as long as you live in Australia and can qualify to get government assistance (which you can, I believe, as long as you're a citizen or at least a permanent resident, I think. I have a debt waiting until I earn enough per annum to pay off).
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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Doctor Shulk on Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:42 am



The Chaser did segments about politics last year, explained by cat videos on Youtube. Razz
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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Raya on Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:18 pm

British politics is pretty boring. The public all know that election promises are all empty words, the politicians know the public know this, so campaigns basically boil down to "we're shit but less shit than the opposition." tbh I rarely vote as I don't believe in any of the parties. Labour bought in those absolutely stupid university top-up fees, pricing out loads of people from university, despite their campaign promise being 'Education Education Education'. Education for all, but only if you're rich! I only voted the Conservatives last time round because they were in 2nd place to the BNP, the British National Nazi Party, who I absolutely cannot stand and didn't want them to get into power.

Saying that, we sometimes do get glorious moments. This is John Prescott, who at the time was the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party and the Secretary of State: