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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Smashy B on Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:28 pm

Raya wrote:America, on behalf of the rest of the world, thanks for reelecting Obama instead of a close-minded ignorant warmongering religious nut. I think we're all breathing a sigh of relief at dodging that bullet.
Two things. First, in regards to warmongering. Obama is no better than your idea of a warmongering republican. He's increased drone strikes in the past four years, and he even authroized a drone strike over Yemen the night of his reelection victory. Man's gotta celebrate.

Second, I think you give Romney too much credit on the religious part. Yeah, he's Mormon, but that hardly became an issue as far as campaigning and debates went.


Raya wrote:The BBC are doing an exit polls analysis, and it's really interesting seeing how all the votes break down. Unsurprisingly rich white men were more likely to vote for Romney. But it's the issues and and the qualities bit I think is the most interesting bit. Bloody hell, the 'cares about me' one. Also the younger voters being more likely to vote Democrats. Wonder if that's a sign of younger people being more open minded, or a sign of modern society being a lot more connected and less isolated that 30+ years ago? Anyone with knowledge of US voting history have an idea?
There's a saying that goes if you're young and Republican you don't have a heart, and if you're old and a Democrat, you don't have a brain. Personally, I think more young people are more likely to vote Democrat, because social issues and anti-war are primary issues for young voters while fiscal policy gets overshadowed.

Edit: I don't have any statistics to back me up here, but I feel like young people are also more likely to vote third party than older people.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  .. on Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:37 pm

Smashy B wrote:
Second, I think you give Romney too much credit on the religious part. Yeah, he's Mormon, but that hardly became an issue as far as campaigning and debates went.


I think more young people are more likely to vote Democrat, because social issues and anti-war are primary issues for young voters while fiscal policy gets overshadowed.

Romney being religious was hardly a problem, like Smash said. In 2002 Romney played down his Party status, claiming to be more Moderate. Any changes in his views made during the election I would blame the Republican Party for. But even then he was still a pancake. (Flip floppity)

And I always heard it a lot of people start off most likely to vote Democrat, then when they start to get older they gradually start sliding towards Moderate and Republican.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  TheTJ on Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:59 pm

So, this was kind of interesting. I got into a... discussion with one of my friends about politics and it came out that not only did he not the the National Deficit was a problem, he actually said it was a non-issue. He was also under the impression that it had gone down over the last four years, when it really hasn't.

Back in 2008, part of Obama's campaign platform that the Bush administration had been spending money recklessly, racking up around 5.5 trillion dollars in 8 years. At the end of his first term Obama's administration has racked up 6 trillion in half the time.

I was just wondering what you guys thought about the Deficit. My friend maintained that as long as we could continue borrowing against our credit it'd be fine, but I'm thinking that'll lead to an economic collapse.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  .. on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:12 pm

No, it needs to be dealt with some way or another. Someone either has to give more, or something has to get cut. (With a few other ideas, but those are the ones we mostly hear about.)

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:01 pm

There is a fine episode of The West Wing in which the president is being pressured into setting a political assassination that involved stopping terrorism. He didn't want to take lives, but he knew that many american lives were at stake. He went ahead with it and tore himself up inside over it for a long time afterward. I think this seems like Obama's situation. The people in question had to have been a longstanding problem, seeing as he has had to wait an undetermined amount of time to go through with this. He obviously couldn't do it during election time, it would have lost voters in swing states. People don't understand that these calls are for the protection of the people.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  TheTJ on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:12 pm

...And if the situation were reversed? If Romney were up for re-election and waited until after the election to do the exact same strike for the exact same reasons, would you be fine with that?

I'm not saying you wouldn't be okay with it, but I think there's a tendency to forgive democrats of these kind of things because "They didn't want to do it". There's projection going on on both sides, that democrats are automatically against it and republicans are automatically for it. For all we know Obama may have pressed the button with a smile on his face and Romney may have lost sleep over it.

...I just see these kind of things as hypocritical sometimes. Romney doing it would make him bloodthirsty and warmongering. Obama doing it is making a tough decision for the good of the many.

Bleh.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SurgePox on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:15 pm

SnakeInABox wrote: People don't understand that these calls are for the protection of the people.
I disagree, we don't save any lives by bombing civilians in other nations.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  .. on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:36 pm

TheTJ wrote:...And if the situation were reversed? If Romney were up for re-election and waited until after the election to do the exact same strike for the exact same reasons, would you be fine with that?

I was thinking this also. Though I highly doubt Romney or Obama would be happy about killing people, possibly even civilians. (Not because Snake said anything though.)

SurgePox wrote:I disagree, we don't save any lives by bombing civilians in other nations.

Mistakes are made, it happens. Not saying that excuses anything but still.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Fedaykin on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:51 pm

I do remember incidents of bombing a wedding or often enough allied troops. I still can't see, why invading countries or bombing them without an official declaration of war(no, I don't count the war on terror as an official war, as it is aimed against organisations, not nations per se) helps protecting civilians at home. All you do is add another enemy to the list. What do you expect? That those nomads band up and invade? Violence begets violence, just raising the deathcount. How many innocents die for one terrorist?

No matter who pushes the button and how they feel about it, they have blood on their fingers. A lot of blood belonging to people not giving a fuck about the USA.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:32 pm

TheTJ wrote:...And if the situation were reversed? If Romney were up for re-election and waited until after the election to do the exact same strike for the exact same reasons, would you be fine with that?

I'm not saying you wouldn't be okay with it, but I think there's a tendency to forgive democrats of these kind of things because "They didn't want to do it". There's projection going on on both sides, that democrats are automatically against it and republicans are automatically for it. For all we know Obama may have pressed the button with a smile on his face and Romney may have lost sleep over it.

...I just see these kind of things as hypocritical sometimes. Romney doing it would make him bloodthirsty and warmongering. Obama doing it is making a tough decision for the good of the many.

Bleh.

Actually, I am glad you mention that. If we want to play that game, Bush did it Fifteen times and he didn't get shit for it. Obama does it and the conservatives all freak out, yell for impeachment. Impeach Obama so Biden gets it. Get rid of Biden. Then Boehner, a Republican. That is their crappy plan. Because instead of losing and working with the winner despite it being against your beliefs, they have to just fight any way they can for power. wtf



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Re: The Body Politic

Post  TheTJ on Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:28 pm

But as YOU said, it's for the good of the country right? There's no way it could be a good thing for Obama and a bad thing for Bush?

You'll notice I'm not saying anything bad about Obama doing it. I don't know all the facts in this, and at the moment I don't really care to. What I am getting upset is there is still a double standard in effect. I'm not calling for the impeachment of Obama over this, and frankly, other than this forum I haven't really heard anyone at all talking about it, but I see you in two posts implying both that Obama made the tough choice for the good of us all, AND that Bush was WAY worse about it. Maybe each of those 15 incidents were tough choices he had to make?

The point is, what's okay for one president isn't okay for the other, depending on the party you talk to. And it's BS. Either it's wrong or it's right, it's not dependent on who does it.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:51 pm

I'm not saying its bad bush did it. I'm ok with him doing it, like I am ok with the Patriot Act.

I was just saying when he did do it he didn't get the flack Obama got

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SurgePox on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:54 am

When the state attacks civilians in other countries it's "for the good."

When civilians of other countries attack the state it's terrorism.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  SnakeInABox on Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:59 am

I'm going treat the situation exactly like I treated it during Bushs' time in office. Until I hear that the drone strikes were really just a game of truth or dare taken too far, or that Obama is killing tons of innocent people just for the heckadoodle of it, I'm going to believe what I feel everyone should. I trust the private strategic decisions the president makes against "civilians" of other countries. We do not know the full facts, we can not assume the worst when we have no idea what we are up against. Information is kept from us for a reason, and I am ok with that.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Raya on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:51 pm

Originally I was going to make a post here about all the drama kicking off about the Church of England voting against woman bishops, but this is more interesting. The major news in British politics this week is that the biggest change to the monarchy in over 300 years has happened- the laws of succession have been changed. The Commonwealth has unanimously voted for it and the bill is being put through Parliament ASAP.

The main law of succession states that the crown always passes to the eldest son, no matter where he is in the birth order. If the monarch's firstborn is a daughter, and the second a son, the crown goes to the son even though the daughter is the eldest. There were several half-hearted attempts over the decades to get this changed, but nothing ever came of it since there were more important issues to worry about. Then Wills and Kate got married last year and everybody is suddenly 'oh shit, we need to get this sorted'. Which is a lucky thing too since it was also revealed that Kate is now pregnant. So now their first born is automatically third in line to the throne, no matter their gender. This law update has been the most major change in the British monarchy since we chopped the head off Charles I and got Oliver Cromwell in to do the job instead.

The British republicans are crying over this, but screw those guys. Bet they still took the day off during the Jubilee.

Also the monarch is now allowed to marry a Roman Catholic. They've been forbidden to do so for centuries since the Popes were dicks and constantly picking fights with England, but since it's highly unlikely we're going to go to war with the Vatican again that law has been abolished. If a monarch *does* marry a Roman Catholic it'll cause a few theological issues as the monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is Protestant. But oh well.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Sahrimnir on Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:52 am

Time to revive this thread!

This year is a big election year in Sweden. We've got the elections for the EU parliament next month and later this year we've got the national elections.

I am really hoping the left-wing will win this time. During the eight years the right-wing Alliance have been in charge of this country, they have pretty much disassembled our welfare system. Also despite them claiming that they were going to lower the unemployment rate, it has only risen. That's not surprising considering their solution to everything seems to be to just lower the taxes.

I am also hoping that the Sweden-democrats, who managed to get in during the last election four years ago, only get those four years and get out after this election. I am not comfortable having a racist party in our parliament.

I wouldn't mind if the Pirate Party or Feminist Initiative managed to get in. Privacy and gender equality are both important issues and I sympathize with both of these parties.

I've noticed that the older I've become, the more socialist I've become. A couple of years ago I might have considered voting for the Social Democrats or the Green Party (the other two left-wing parties in our parliament), but now the Left Party, way on the left edge of the Swedish political spectrum, is the obvious choice for me.

Also, tomorrow the Swedish political parties will face off in a Starcraft 2-tournament.
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/starcraft-sweden-political-tournament/

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Raya on Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:20 pm

I really wish this whole 'political parties battling it out via games' idea catches on worldwide. We'd be one step closer to making G Gundam a reality.

Korea would win every year though.

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Post  SurgePox on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:21 pm

@Sah
I'm really pleased to hear that! I hope your support helps your parties, and I am always supportive of calling out ruling parties for being corrupt, racist, or otherwise terrible (kinda wish we were more critical of our leaders here)

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Raya on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:07 pm

Today's the centenary of the outbreak of WW1. One of the most devastating wars in human history saw an entire generation wiped out. Over a million were killed or wounded in the Battle of the Somme alone. WW1 changed both warfare and society forever, and today it's worth taking a moment of silence to remember all those who fought and fell.

Just to put things in perspective, here's a poppy for every British and colonial soldier killed in the War.

And has humanity learnt? Of course not...

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Post  Catterick on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:44 pm

I can't lie, I wasn't aware of this. But, I was in Hyde Park a week or two ago, looking over the Australian and New Zealand war memorials they have there. They're pretty interesting, Australia has a big wall with lots of names on it and water cascading, NZ has these big iron crosses with testimonies and quotes on their sides. I also think that the memorial for animals killed in wars is nearby too (that's a bizarre concept right there).

It seems like there are reminders of war all around London, whether in memorials plaques or statues. I certainly hope that people learn from these reminders and not see them as glorifying war in any way.

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Post  Fedaykin on Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:53 pm

It was the overture on what the history of the 20th century would be like. It changed the face of the world and the echoes are still here with us today.

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Post  Omicron Austin on Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:53 pm

Raya wrote:And has humanity learnt? Of course not...

We learned a few things about mustard gas, I suppose.

Nuclear weapons are definitely a more humane option.

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Re: The Body Politic

Post  Sahrimnir on Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:02 pm

Omicron Austin wrote:
Raya wrote:And has humanity learnt? Of course not...

We learned a few things about mustard gas, I suppose.

Nuclear weapons are definitely a more humane option.

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Post  SurgePox on Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:15 am

War sucks

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