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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:50 pm

I know it's easy to do, but you can't confuse innocent desperation with nefariousness. My goal, like everyone elses, is to live to the end. Both votes that were made as attempts to save myself were just that. Attempts to save myself. By making the argument that voting to save my hide twice makes me look scummy, you would have to then make the assumption that if I was town I should have not voted on other people to lynch instead of me, and instead I should have just slowly laid on the ground and accepted things? It doesn't really work like that, no matter what my alignment is I will always opt out on killing people who aren't me before killing people who are... me. Unless I was the jester, but that would be a ridiculous and special case.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  JohnnyFarrar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:38 pm

Town should not care that much about their own life. The best thing you could do for the town as dying town (and really always) would be to scumhunt. Because, contrary to what you said, townies should be playing so that town can win, not so they can survive at all cost. A win is a win, even if you had to take one for the team.

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Post  Spontaneous Combustion on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:12 pm

Et tu, Snake?

Unvote: Johnny
Vote: Snake

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Requiem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:40 pm

Johnny, I still fully disagree. Personally, I don't feel like I've won if I am lynched. It's a loss. The game isn't called Self Sacrifice after all. It's difficult to say that you're going to sacrifice yourself as a townie. You know you're town, your death will confirm that, however, that makes it so that you can't participate later on. You can't point out the things other players might miss. If it's a point where roleclaiming has been invoked and there are opposing players claiming the same role, it's more acceptable, but otherwise, telling players that it's their duty to lay down their lives is simply wrong. Just my opinion of course.

Afterthought Note: The mafia is a team. They know who they are. The town is made up of individuals who are bent on keeping themselves alive because they don't know who anyone else is. To them, they are the only confirmed townie. Thus, keeping themselves alive, is keeping the town alive.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  DarkFalco on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:48 pm

sorry i haven't been on, like i said in the whatever thread between two projects being due and my best friends father dying i've been rather busy ._.

that early bandwagon on the newbie was rather mean, and i can't help but raise my eyebrow at snake for getting so riled up at a day one death after what he did to DRTJR day one on the game that ended up messed up. also is it just me or do i feel that q is playing a bit different this game? not saying scummy, just slightly different.

and it would seem that i've come across a tie....and between the two i can't really decide who's more suspicious. chances are at least one of them is townie, and i don't want to be the one to off the wrong one :/

i know i don't have a lot of time left, but i'm going to hold off as long as i can to actually look over the game so far and make a more educated decision.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:54 pm

JohnnyFarrar wrote:Town should not care that much about their own life. The best thing you could do for the town as dying town (and really always) would be to scumhunt. Because, contrary to what you said, townies should be playing so that town can win, not so they can survive at all cost. A win is a win, even if you had to take one for the team.

You're wrong. A skilled scumhunter shouldn't approach the situation like they need to take a bullet for the president and die helping his team slowly figure things out. A good scum hunter stays alive at all costs (Granted these costs don't bring the town down in any way) so they can continue to take notes and call out mafians. You're trying to tell me to use my last moments as a town doing what the town does best, and look for mafians. On day one, with nothing to go off of yet, That is quite frankly rude for you to expect that out of me. My priority right now should be on getting out of a day one lynch, because if I fall now, I will never get the ability to push us closer to success. Also Johnny, when it comes to town survival, you forget to take into the equation roles and abilities. A cop or doctor need to have the 'can't die' mentality, else they may bite off more than they can chew and get offed early. You have to choose your battles carefully, so as to not piss anyone off that could potentially be a mafian that night. I played the last few games like that, and don't get me wrong I like that style, but it doesn't suit me. I much prefer a different way of playing when town, and that is to take things head on, full force. I become a pain in the mafia side for two reasons:

1: If I am able to successfully scumhunt, I get enough attention that the Mafia is afraid to act on me during the night

2: If I am not yet successful, the Mafia holds off on killing me during the night, as my demeanor the previous day brings me negative attention. The mafia waits to push on me in the following day phases, and eventually they either get me, or I successfully am able to get on the ball (Usually the latter happens).

So really, Excuse me if I come off too strong in this game. In the long run my commitment to this playstyle is more a help than a hindrance, regardless of how often I may or may not hurt your little feelings.

Well, I have just about an hour left and it looks as though people are going to be as stubborn as I usually am. What a shame, I really wanted to survive.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  nn8n on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:03 pm

If anyone shouldn't be lynched and be allowed to play a bit, it's Spont. Like he said in his sign-up, it's been since Game 13 that he's truly played, (He was signed up for 16 but died night one before he even made a single post.)

I really don't like what Johnny has done to the game with his 'It's a trap' comment. It really has put things in a bad direction. Sure it's not cool to lynch the new player that just came to the scene and I can understand the other SA players trying to get the attention off them to give them a chance to play but he could have gone about it in a different manner. Spoon kept his cool, and Johnny certainly could have also.

Unvote: Parry I see him as just like Requiem in game 16 in that he is just not paying attention cause he's not into his character.

Vote: Johnny

Yeah Snake has been overboard on survival, and last time he did this he was scum. But I have no room to push anything towards him as I kinda owe him for killing him last game.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Kailoli on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:09 pm

Hey party people! I was in Korea Town all day, so sorry if I sound a little manic, I'm in such a great mood...

The incoming posts are reactions to as I read them for best organization on my part

@Johnny, IMO that baitwagon on me wasn't very effective. If you really wanted to have an effective bait-wagon then you should have let it stay until the half-day update, you caught it off so early, I don't think it really gives you a clear read on people. That, and I have actually played with quite a few people here both on SA and on D2...

ON the topic of the town being willing to die.... I completely disagree. At the risk of regurgitating prior points brought up, as a townie, you're completely on your own, you have no one to count on or trust to bounce ideas off of. Yes, if you are sure you're going to die, try to pitch in your last thoughts, but you still have to go die fighting. This topic was brushed on at the current mafia game over at D2 with Levi 'taking a bullet' and Quick not completely defending himself. You just rolling over to die doesn't seem town... at least to me. You have created such a mess with this bait-wagon, and using me as your bait... I don't appreciate it.


@Snake... though I admire your passion and wish that I would be a bit more passionate towards this game as well, pipe the fuck down. You're acting like most of the votes were in all seriousness, most of those were purely RVS and people tend to change their votes once an actual discussion starts up. You basically throwing a tantrum doesn't really constitute a discussion and more of a bratty move, maybe even scummy imo...

Thinking it over, if this is Snake being far too aggressive than in the past, then I would see him more of the jester role rather thsn Perry, the hyper-aggression to bait people into voting him makes more sense to me. Personally, I'm not entirely sure yet what his standing could be and I'd rather have him around for another day to see how he continues to play...

The whole thing on Camilla... ehh... it was one post and I didn't really see anything suspicious. But that's coming from a person who also self-deprecates and tries too hard. I feel like I need to see more posts from her before committing to a vote

To conclude:

Vote: Johnny

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Kailoli on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:12 pm

Avos Me Lardo wrote:If anyone shouldn't be lynched and be allowed to play a bit, it's Spont. Like he said in his sign-up, it's been since Game 13 that he's truly played, (He was signed up for 16 but died night one before he even made a single post.)

Honestly, I could careless when a person last play, I don't think someone's absence from the scene should automatically excuse them from a lynch~

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Relmitos on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:13 pm

Vote tally as it stands:

Spont(5): Viero, Johnny, Quaetam, Spoon, Snake
Snake(5): Raya, Requiem, Perry, Fedaykin, Spont
Eisen(2): Outlaw, Ansem
DRTJR(2): DRTJR, TheTJ
Weldar(1): Camilla
DarkFalco(1): Weldar
Johnny(2): Avos, Kailoli

Yet to Vote: DarkFalco, Eisenbei├čer, Minby

48 minutes remain as of this post!

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:15 pm

I mean look dude I don't want you to vote for me, don't get me wrong, but for future reference you shouldn't decide someones fate based on how things went down in previous games. I don't get a free pass because you killed me, and you shouldn't ever expect one out of me in the future if I were to kill you in a game.

But regardless, my counterargument to that would be that I just as large a record of aggressive townplay as I do mafian.

Anyway I know everyone always says this next bullshit, but I think it really is important. After I die please PLEASE put pressure on those that voted for me. Don't let them just brush my death off as nothing, put them on the fucking spot. Q, I'm leaving things up to you. Avenge me.

(Town, watch Q like a hawk. I told him to avenge me but I don't actually know what affiliation he is lol)

EDIT: Oh look its a tie, that is actually a great relief whew

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  nn8n on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:16 pm

This is too funny! Think it over! No offense! lol

SnakeInABox wrote:What a shame, I really wanted to survive.

Kailoli wrote:Thinking it over, if this is Snake being far too aggressive than in the past, then I would see him more of the jester role

What kind of Jester begs for himself to survive!

Kailoli wrote:
Avos Me Lardo wrote:If anyone shouldn't be lynched and be allowed to play a bit, it's Spont. Like he said in his sign-up, it's been since Game 13 that he's truly played, (He was signed up for 16 but died night one before he even made a single post.)

Honestly, I could careless when a person last play, I don't think someone's absence from the scene should automatically excuse them from a lynch~

I should also add that I didn't see anything that he did that drew attention. But yeah if someone did something that deserves it they shouldn't be exempt from lynch, and I feel he hasn't.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Kailoli on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:19 pm

Avos Me Lardo wrote:
Kailoli wrote:Thinking it over, if this is Snake being far too aggressive than in the past, then I would see him more of the jester role

What kind of Jester begs for himself to survive!

I unno... a crazy one? A not very convincing one?

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  JohnnyFarrar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:21 pm

I'm gonna go write an essay about being prepared to die as town so I can post it elsewhere, so let's not clog up the thread with it since it's mostly unrelated to scumhunting.

@Avos, not sure what you're accusing me of. Also do you just plain not agree with the votes on him or are you just being nice to Spont. Because I leave "nice" at the door for this game.

@Kai, I know I should have left it longer but I was bored and I wanted to end it before Abrams, Fed, Q, or Smash got on and started defending you. You were the best bait because a vote for anyone else in this game could be explained away by the cursed grudgevoting that tends to happen here. Not sure where the vote came from.

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Post  nn8n on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:26 pm

Mostly not agreeing. A pinch of care, I know it doesn't belong in games, but I'm an emotional person, if you couldn't tell from last game. Maybe its why I'm never taken seriously cause of being over emotional about things and using passion over logic in games that kills me but oh well, I will never adapt to being 100% logic, it's just not me.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Requiem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:51 pm

Unvote: Snake
Vote: Johnny


I'd really rather not have a no lynch, and Johnny's rubbing me the wrong way.

Edit: Also, this was the same behaviour in the last game, and Johnny was scum. So, and thusly, my opinion.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  JohnnyFarrar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:54 pm

But, WHY?

Am I actually about to be lynched for literally no reason?

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Post  Requiem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:56 pm

Wait, did I miscalculate the vote count?

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Post  nn8n on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:56 pm

Just as most anyone would on day 1

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  JohnnyFarrar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:58 pm

I don't know who's leading the votes, I'm just wondering why any of the votes that are on me ARE on me.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Spontaneous Combustion on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:58 pm

Unvote: Snake

Vote: Johnny


NOW it's a tie. Requiem almost sealed my fate there with his seemingfully helpful voting of you, which makes me a little suspicious of him too.

EDIT : wait no it isn't i'm dead
Fuck this shit. (Hang Johnny and Req)


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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Relmitos on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:00 pm

Day phase over! Give me time to recount all votes to make sure I don't screw it up and I'll let you know what happens (I don't want to be "that guy" that lynches the wrong person)

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Post  DarkFalco on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:04 pm

damn i'm on a roll with this game >.>

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Post  Relmitos on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:16 pm

I'll actually put out a story-ish post tomorrow, but right now, couple of tests tomorrow. So I'll just leave you with the lynch results.

Spont has been lynched! He was K.C., a Hunter(Town)!

Night phase begins now, and will end Sunday at 12 AM or as soon as I get all my night actions in.

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Post  Spontaneous Combustion on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:30 pm

The tactician in the mob who is patting himself on the back currently for my brilliantly orchestrated lynch should know that it wasn't a glorious victory for the mafia. My death was sealed by the devilishly cunning cooperation of time zones and my own fuckup.

That is all. Have a good game.
*dies*

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