Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:11 am

Am I though? I'm up on the chopping block to die before the game even really starts, I am most definitely entitled to feeling passionate about survival.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  nn8n on Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:13 am

Yeah Snake it's not that big of a deal. If you are one killed early like Q last game and are pro-town, if there is any kind of resurrection ability you know you'd be the first to get it! And then you get that shiny 'Look motherfuckers, I'm a confirmed townie, don't mess with my box' status!

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Post  Fedaykin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:23 am

SnakeInABox wrote:Am I though? I'm up on the chopping block to die before the game even really starts, I am most definitely entitled to feeling passionate about survival.

Feeling passionate is one thing, threats about hunting someone down because they dared voting you is an entirely different case. And it is not helping you, at least from where I am standing.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:35 am

Oh no, I would never go full out grudge on people just for voting for me. I'll definitely douse them with flames and let the kitchen get hot, you know, to see how things bounce, but never fully engage crazy mode. I think you misinterpreted my statement. No, if I actually die on the first day, THEN I will cast upon those who voted for my elimination a great deal of misery and hopefully guilt

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Perry on Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:38 am

SnakeInABox wrote: That is a threat, AND a promise.
AND I'm not impressed. Mainly because, lol, wtf can you do. But secondly because I don't tend to play well with intimidation.

Besides, nothing is even happening yet and you're all uppity about it, it just makes you look like a spoiled brat that might not get what it wants. For someone who always takes the piss on other people, I don't feel any sympathy just because you died early on in a few games and might do so again. And sadly for you, that'd be just about the only thing to change my mind at this point.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:08 am

I am playing the game exactly how it's supposed to be played. When you vote for me on the first day without any incriminating evidence, there's literally nothing for me to argue against. I can either sit here and just wait it out or I can argue my best defense as to why I should live. I'm not going to sugar coat things. If I die day one, I'm going to be pissed. You're going to be on my bad side because lynching a player such as myself so early with little to no reason is either a piss poor move or a Mafian move.

If your intention, Perry, is to vote for me until I beg for my life and make you pity me enough to change votes, well fuck you, I'll die a pissed off useless death and you'll go down tomorrow anyway. I'm not here to play little games, I'm not here to tickle your balls and convince you I'm good enough for you, and I'm not here to get wasted day one because some players don't like my attitude. I'm here to take down the scum in a fast efficient manner, and those of you that try to stop me are either the enemy or somehow unable to realize I'm not mafia.

Because being disruptive and threatening is apparently something I of all people would do day one as a Mafian? Come on and use your head.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Fedaykin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:35 am

Augh, straight back to McCarthy but using more foul language. Wonderful.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SnakeInABox on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:43 am

If you remember correctly, I had a pretty good streak in Mafia when I played McCarthy-style.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Fedaykin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:52 am

Doesn't mean I have to be fond of it, though.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Minby_Aran on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:13 am

I'll step in to support, Snake since no one else has. This is his playstyle. It's what he does. He riles people up, and then he can read their reactions. He's very good at it, both when he's town and Mafia, so this behavior shouldn't make anyone see him as more one or the other. It's day one, and he's actually been doing more to get information than anyone else, and for that, I say, Shine on, you crazy diamond.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Quaetam on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:35 am

SnakeInABox wrote:No zombie is safe from Chicago Ted.

+1, made me laugh.

It's only brief and at face value since I'm in the middle of a busy week, but analysis coming in a moment.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Ansem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:59 am

Unvote: johnny

Vote: Eisen

Snake made good points, and i like having snake on the town's side, always a riot.
Eisen vote not because i think he's scum, just to make a tie again. I got your back Chicago Ted

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Quaetam on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:44 am

First thing's first, back on Page 2 I said I think Perry's likely a Jester, or trying to portray himself that way. Why? He made THIS post earlier:

"Either way, don't expect much from me. I don't really know how to play mafia when i'm trying to kill all innocents.... Do I jjust grudgevote?
Vote: Snake, his power made my death last game the most unpleasant. :C Screw not being able to defend yourself due to massive spont mode.
" - Perry page 2

This is wine-heavy: Either it's a jester play to try to get lynched, or it's attempting to look like a jester to fly under the radar. I don't think Perry would try the latter ploy, but he's a clever player, so it's entirely possible.

Perry's a good vote option, because due to our history on this site of allowing jesters to win alongside the town, in the worst case scenario, he gets a win and everyone else keeps playing; we'd win alongside him. Maybe no mafioso gets caught today, but we get rid of a WIFOM that could plague us down the road. Best case, we take out a Serial Killer/Mafian who's trying to pose as a Fool. At the moment I think he's more likely Jester than Mafia, as a mafian usually wouldn't mention something like this just once, they'd build on it and take advantage of it when pulling this gambit.

This is something I want to look at either today or tomorrow. Hell, tonight, a vigilante shot on Perry tonight would be very useful.

Moving on, Either we have a votecontroller or Snake and DRTJR are comrades

"VOTE: SNAKE because f*€% that guy. He tried to kill a couple of times" - DRTJR Page 1

"We can't kill snake, he been an aggressive player always doing his duty for the town. He is kind and wise a true paragon of wisdom and virtue, UNVOTE:SNAKE,
VOTE:DRTJR
" - DRTJR Page 3

Again, WIFOM. This is either a setup by someone else trying to frame Snake, or a ploy by Snake to save himself, either through a vote-control of his own, or a bus on DRTJR. Snake's the kind of guy I could see controlling someone to protect him, only to call that strategy out himself. It's pretty simple. I also have no doubt he'd bus DRTJR on a shared team. He's done it before.

Looking at Snake. I understand why nobody wants to be lynched Day 1 but that happens occasionally. His claim about a pattern of early deaths is slightly baseless: Looking at the past three games, game 22.2 he died Night 3, game 21 he died Day 4 I believe? And Game 20 he was Mario, played hard as possible, lived the entire game bar a quick one-night death Day 3, and won a come-from-behind game for the ELoE and the Town. This is by no means a pattern of early deaths. Hell, my average lifespan in a mafia game is about 3 days, other than the few times I've held out until the end on my own. It's reasonable for a player of Snake's caliber to die around then... honestly, it's reasonable for any player to expect to die around that time.

With this in mind, Snake's reactions to pressure seem inordinately hostile, moreso than I've ever seen from him, and not entirely befitting his situation. Furthermore, despite his claims, I haven't seen much actual analysis on his part beyond casting vague suspicions in the direction of people who voted for him, and less-than-vague attacks on their character. So, FOS: Snake.

He's not getting my vote, however, because a few of the votes on Snake are scummy in and of themselves, and I have a better target.

Vote: Camilla.

Her last post really sticks out, following a common D1 scum cliche of being afraid to bandwagon but remaining unwilling to cast a random vote; attempting to remain thoughtful but not wanting to I've never known this kind of nervousness and hesitancy Day 1 to affect her much in mafia, so this sticks out as a strong scumread right now.

BTW, on that same logic, I totally agree with Fedaykin's suspicion of Spoon. However, Camilla stands out stronger to me, so she's got my vote, and my recommendation as our early lynch.

Spontaneous Combustion also sticks out; he placed a consciously random vote, as most do Day 1, but then lay low other than making a slight post advising against a Day 1 lynch the moment Snake is put under pressure, and responding once Johnny gave him some light suspicion to switch vote onto Johnny himself, with shitty reasoning.

I'd add more about why these last three are suspicious, but my laptop has one minute of battery so I'm trying to hammer this out quick.

tl;dr
Perry is a likely Jester, or a mafian attempting to pose as such.
Snake is definitely suspicious as his reactions aren't proportional to his situation, and I could easily see DRTJR's voteswitch as a ploy. However, the votes on him are suspicious, and I don't think I could see MafiaSnake going all out to this degree Day 1, so I'd like to hold off.
Spoon is suspicious for the exact reason Fed pointed out, however...
Camilla has a much stronger scumread for her last post, and has my vote.
Also, Spont is probably second-place on my suspect list for what I see as active-lurking and backing down the moment he sees pressure. If Snake's mafia, Spont's likely his teammate.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Perry on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:16 am

I'm not a jester, just so you know. (you can say what you're not, right?)
Bam, there goes your entire theory, Q :p Honestly you're holding me in way too high regards. I had to actually look up the jester role to know what you're talking about. And I still don't know what wine-heavy means.

I do understand why you think i might be a little different than other times however, and it's likely because I feel like I've got way less to lose and thus am able to speak more freely. Now i'm not claiming any immunity or whatever with this, rather a lack of a need for survival.


For the rest, well you made the same point as I have about snake, so I'm just sticking to what I've got.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Requiem on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:56 am

I didn't know what Wine meant, up until recently. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

I think I'm going to stick with my vote for now, don't really have anything. If anything changes though, I think I'm genuinely concerned about Viero. Not sure why.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Quaetam on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:17 pm

By Wine I meant WIFOM, as Requiem indicated. WIFOM is the idea of circular uncertainty, essentially: Did Perry mention he has to kill all innocents as an attempt to get himself lynched? Did he say it because he wanted people to think he wants to get lynched, and therefore they'll leave him alone? Or was he speaking facetiously?

Given his post, and the way he's acted since, I doubt it was purely facetious. He openly stated that he won't be much use this game because he doesn't know how to play when his goal is to kill all innocents.. You might think I'm giving you too much credit, Perry, but I'm not. I'm acknowledging that you're not the kind of person to make such a comment purely as a mistake, and analyzing what may have been your intent. It's led me to two conclusions: That you're mafia, or that you're a jester.

That said, I don't know if I'll be on more after about an hour from now, cause I've got a lot going on, but as I said above, I still think Camilla's a better lynch target. That post she made earlier gave me the strongest scumread of anyone yet this game, and falls perfectly in line with typical scum play, for similar, although not identical, reasons that led me to press for Viero's lynch last game.

Also, where's Weldar? I don't think I've seen anything out of him yet, and that's highly unusual.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  SpoonMan Abrams X on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:18 pm

I'm suspicious for a vote on Eisen? Fair enough, but it certainly wasn't an RVS vote like people seem to believe. It was a genuine vote for entirely bullshit reasons (as I said he's not on the rules list being "more innocent than we can possibly imagine." lol)

Regardless, the wagon currently seems to be Lynch Snake vs. Not Lynch Snake? I honestly didn't think much of it originally as it seemed to be D1 shenanigans with the bandwagon on Kai, which was for no other reason besides that she is the newbie here. Now the Snake wagon has picked up steam again, though still being led originally by RVS votes? Ok.

Unvote, Vote Snake

Defend yourself dilligently & logically (I've seen you do it before, regardless of abrasiveness), instead of this AtE junk. I personally take you more seriously if you defense amounted more to then reputation. I haven't really seen many reads & thoughts from you outside of reactions to those voting for you. Have something else.

Besides that, this D1 wagon has turned into something useful, especially with how people have reacted to Snake. Far and away our best informative lynch unless something else comes up in the mean time (like another actual wagon).

@Kailoli You haven't been around in a while yourself. You have anything besides your bandwagon leading RVS vote? How do you feel about that vote now.

I do find Ansem's and Spont's reactions to it most intriguing. Also the fact both of them went after Johnny as well in some fashion, who seemed to be the first person to really break this out of w/e remained of RVS.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  .. on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:28 pm

I've only post twice in 5 pages so here I go again.

My vote on Eisen is a grudge vote if anyone didn't get that.

Honestly, I don't think Snake is scum. Though his reaction of:

SnakeInABox wrote:Am I though? I'm up on the chopping block to die before the game even really starts, I am most definitely entitled to feeling passionate about survival.

seems a bit hypocritical considering what we tried to do to DRTJR.

Though yet again, I don't think Snake is scum.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Perry on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:30 pm

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiit... i think i know all the confusion and wifom is all about....

Honestly this is going to look scummy as fuck, but... It was actually my intention to write "I don't know what to do when NOT trying to kill all innocents" ._.
You know, seeing how I'm mafia almost all the times I play this game and stuff. It's the one thing I know how to do, i'm actually pretty crap at scumhunting.
This is also why i dont really feel the need for survival in the game, seeing as I'm part of the larger group and not the smaller group that needs to get the majority.

This is so going to get me fucked, isn't it ._.
So all in all, i AM the kind of person that makes such a comment by mistake XD You'll see when im killed by a vigilante tonight XD (Honestly, with me admitting to be weak to the town and whatever, and all this scummy stuff going on, I'd be surprised to be alive next dayphase)
Only way for me to actually not look like i should be shot if if Snake turns out Mafia now, then I'll have surprised even myself ._.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Fedaykin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:34 pm

Q, Weldar is moving to Brisbane.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Quaetam on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:51 pm

Shit, I'd forgotten about that, thanks Fed. My apologies, Weldar, when you get back.

On Perry, I actually know where he's coming from; I could see that being a very easy mistake to make, so it's definitely believable. My suspicion still stands, of course, because it's still WIFOM: it's easy to set that up. Either way I'm inclined to wait on him, though I still think a vigilante to clear him up, or a copscan, wouldn't be a bad option.

Please look at this post guys, and don't ignore what I've said against Camilla completely.

Looking at the top two targets, Eisen has literally nothing against him, while Snake has been heavily, and disproportionately, AtE, and attacking those who attack him, yadda yadda.

Thing is, I'm not so sure he's mafia at this point, for reasons I've highlighted above. I've seen him play like this on any alignment, and furthermore, I don't see Snake as the kind of guy to try something this attention-grabbing from Day 1 as a scum player. He's a player who values his life above any others', in most cases. Something as attention-grabbing as this is a little too over-the-top. I think he's a good copscan target for tonight, because Camilla's got a stronger read against her, and Snake's still leaning town for me.

If it comes down to it I'd vote Snake over Eisen but I think we have better targets.

Snake(4): Kailoli, Requiem, Perry, Spoon
Eisen(3): Outlaw, Spoon, Ansem
Johnny(1): Spont

Camilla(1): Quaetam
Spoon(1): Fedaykin
Fedaykin(1): Camilla
Spont(1): Viero
Perry(1): Avos
DRTJR(1): DRTJR
DarkFalco(1): Weldar
Kailoli(1): Snake

Yet to Vote: DarkFalco, Raya, TJ, Eisenbeißer

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Perry on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:58 pm

You counted spoon twice~

Snake(4): Kailoli, Requiem, Perry, Spoon
Eisen(2): Outlaw, Ansem
Johnny(1): Spont

Camilla(1): Quaetam
Spoon(1): Fedaykin
Fedaykin(1): Camilla
Spont(1): Viero
Perry(1): Avos
DRTJR(1): DRTJR
DarkFalco(1): Weldar
Kailoli(1): Snake

Yet to Vote: DarkFalco, Raya, TJ, Eisenbieber

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Kailoli on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Wah, there's been quite a bit since last time I checked. Give me some time to look over things, for now:

Unvote

I was just trolling/RVSing, I don't know the reasons for the current wagon as of yet

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  Raya on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:34 pm

The initial bandwagon on Kali really rustled my jimmies. I'm sorry but that just screams easy lynch. Look at it this way, if Kali is townie, the mafia have a perfectly good excuse for lynching her. Bandwagons on veteran players are difficult to pull off without some decent evidence, and if they flip townie everyone who voted is under suspicion. If you do it on the new guy you can just say "oh, they were new, I didn't know their playstyle!".

Which for me raises suspicion on Johnny and Snake, and by extension Perry. Snake is behaving surprisingly aggressive, which makes me wonder if that might be part of his role, or if his knickers are in a twist harder than normal. His squabble with Perry I can easy see being two mafians covering each other, because with how those two play in general it would be a pretty good ploy. Q's suggestion of Perry perhaps being a jester makes me hesitate though.

For now though I'm voting Snake, because out of everyone he I think has drawn the most suspicion. If I'm proved wrong I'll gladly switch my vote since I'm not entirely convinced.

Vote: Snake

@Q: Regarding Camilla, just to say that was the argument I used to get her lynched in Fed's game when I was mafia. Not posting much, pretending to contribute but not adding any content etc. So yeah, good argument, but I'd be a little bit cautious as basing your suspicion entirely on that, since I hinged my entire plan of lynching an innocent using that.

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Re: Mafia Game 23 - Hunters vs. Arkz at the Casino Voloyal, Game over, Hunters win

Post  JohnnyFarrar on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:37 pm

Spontaneous Combustion wrote:

You know, I was the first one to vote for her. I had no intentions to actually follow through on that one, it was just to get a reaction. It was you who jumped on that bandwagon.

Okay then.

Someone remind me, are we still voting people for "bandwagoning" on this site? On day one?

At least you answered my question. My problem is that you let her become the biggest wagon in the game and made no mention of getting off until I asked about it, and your vote was the easiest to backtrack from. This tells me you were waiting to see if her dying was a possibility. With how little she's talked, I don't see how that is a pro-town thing to do.

Vote:Spont

Ansem wrote:Bam, nigga got switched on.

Either Johnny's ZOMGBAITMAFIANS-thing is a super switcheroo, or it's terribly pretentious and obviously flawed. My vote stays on him.

Explain the flaws.

While I'm here, Snake and Perry seem townish. Snake moreso than Perry.

Ninja'd a bunch. I'll catch up in another post.

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