Who is the Body Dismemberer? *Spoilers?*

Yay, I love a good TWBB read. :3 *goes to read* Will edit after read.

Edit: First off, very great, I enjoyed it, you did a good job, I liked how you touched upon each character. You're 3 questions are all very interesting, the first one especially to me.

The butcher could have kidnapped Peach if it's personal and simply won't kill her to make Mario go crazy at whether she is alive or not and where she is, which would once again lead to the butcher having a vendetta against Mario and just messing with him and not killing him. I don't think that he's using Mario for some plan simply because I can't think of what the plan would be but who knows, maybe it will turn out like that.

For the second question, Olimar reminds me a lot of Kirby, just some psycho that wants to kill everyone. I think that's all he wants to do, so I doubt he is the butcher. One thing that I'm wondering is if Ganon planned all this and this is why he was helping Olimar and plans to steal the smash ball from Olimar and use it for himself once he creates it (which he's done). I can see this happening since Ganon has a lot more importance in the story then Olimar, although I hope it doesn't.

For the third question, Wario has a fire flower which leads me to believe that whoever won that fight either was working with Wario and Zelda or is being used by them, say Wario and Zelda jump in, burn Meta Knight, then teleport away so Kirby can cause trouble and distract them while they go through with some plan of theirs. I can not see Kirby working with Zelda and Wario as he isn't the type. If Kirby was the one that died however, then Meta knight is working with zelda and wario which would make all 3 seem like the killer, as you have meta knight and shieks weapons, it could just be a plan for them to take over the MK. That's my insight on that subject, if Meta died then Wario and Zelda did it to use Kirby for themselves and if Kirby died then Meta is working with Wario and Zelda and they are all either related to or are the killers.

There's a small possibility that Wario and Zelda burned Meta and want to use Kirby's knowledge so he can lead them to who the killer is, but I can't see Kirby agreeing to it.

I like your analysis of all the characters and for the most part agree with them. I agree with the IC and Wario being henchmen for the killer, and like you, I can't see G&W and Pkmn Trainer being the killer from they're personalities. I don't think Marth is the butcher, I think his role in the story is too little. He doesn't really have a personality either, just seems like your average body guard, not the sort of the guy that would do all this. Meta Knight as I said earlier is either dead or has a real chance if he's alive.

To me the 4 biggest suspects are Ganon, Zelda, ZSamus, and Pit. Ganon for obvious reasons, Zelda because her being able to become shiek and sneak around and kill makes her abilities seem like that of the killer. You said her motives don't really match, but the fact that she's becoming the lead princess makes her seem to have this motive and that she wants to rule the MK.

As for Samus and Pit, they just seem like mysterious characters that could be doing it just for their own twisted motive. I can see them doing it since neither were with the bros when someone was murdered and whenever they were someone wasn't. Also they have weapons that could let them kill someone easily so I think it could be them.

Once again good read.

I'm still trying to figure out what it was the Kirby was getting at. I know that a lot of what he says is reference to SotL, but I think it's also at least partly a clue. This is everything he said in episode 7 in relation to the killer:

"The clues you seek were right there at the beginning, waiting for you to see them. You've no idea how close you are."

Luigi says "You were the beginning."

"Consider this: to find a killer, you must understand why he kills. What do the murders tell us about our butcher?"

L: "He can disembowel someone the size of D in two, three minutes. On their own turf, and still they get away. He must be skilled with a blade..."

"You're not listening. He leaves their insides, why?"

Later on: "He's come to understand me very well. We learn a lot from those we observe."

I'd also like to point out the Kirby seems to have an extreme interest with the love triangle between Mario, Luigi, and Peach. Every time one of them has spoken to him, he's brought it up. I can't help but wonder if he's trying to incite them into telling him something he doesn't know (and he seems to already know everything pertinent already in that regard), or if he's hinting at some other motivation that we don't understand yet, either his own or that of someone else.

The line "You have no idea how close you are" is something very intriguing, because it could mean a couple of different things. On the one hand, he could be talking about the fact that Luigi has been investigating this all along and he's finally come to the end of the case. But more interestingly, he could also be referring to someone in the prison complex being the killer (making the word "close" literal. This holds up the Meta Knight theory well, but also supports Zelda/Sheik, Kirby himself, and even Samus and Red.

I had another thought watching episode 7. Mario uses his fire flower up when he's fighting off Link and Zelda. The one that Wario is holding could very well be the same one. If that's the case, is it possible that whichever Dreamland inhabitant got crispied, it wasn't by Fire Flower at all?

I was leaning towards Meta Knight, but I'm wondering now about why he would bother de-stabilizing the Mushroom Kingdom just to set Kirby free. It seems like the killer isn't just killing at random, but instead to some ulterior motive.

It could have been Charizard.

Just saying.

Charizard's too small. You see him and his size in Episode Three.

I wonder if Kirby always referring to the killer as "he" means anything. It could mean Sheik... as he's mistaking her for a male, or something. As for "the beginning"... maybe that could mean Wario. Wario being the killer doesn't totally fit for me though... Peach is still a suspect, although I'm not sure if she could've killed Mewtwo.

Okay, first things first, I have no idea if I'm postign this correctly.
Second, I would like to say that last night I finished reading through both BD threads.
One of the things I noticed was that one of the things people used to debunk certain theories was that Pichu and Roy had been cut into tiny pieces, if Wario is to be believed. Tiny cuts, I believe he said. However, many people tried to use a theory where Yoshi was the killer; not once did I see anyone bring up the "tiny cuts" line as opposition to that, which I think was interesting.
However, this is not the point of my post.

Kirby's statement that the Body Dismemberer has always been there since the beginning can be interepreted several ways - for example, one might interpret it as meaning since the beginning of Nintendo. From what I recall, early Nintendo games included Donkey Kong (it might have been called Jumpman, I forget) and, in early ventures into handhelds, Game and Watch. One could also interpret Kirby's statement as meaning since the beginning of the original Cannibal incident (which would leave us hanging), or since the beginning of the current 'incident' (which unless interpreted as Kirby getting outside news from someone like Meta Knight could be close to the fourth wall - perhaps meaning sicne the beginning of TWBB). This could again mean Peach or Mario, maybe even Luigi, Red, or Samus, but it might also mean Wario - in my mind a likely candidate, if you find the right motive.

With the first interpretation: Donkey Kong and Mario are both out, as both were fighting when Dedede was killed. Peach is unlikely in my mind there would be no reason for her to go to Kirby initially if she were behind it; also if she faked her kidnapping, then who knocked out Mario?
Game and Watch, sadly, is, if you'll pardon the wording, a 'flat' character - there have been multiple times a G&W has appeared, and you can't really make a deep character from someone who never appears or speaks.

If we go with the second interpretation we are completely clueless, so I will move on.
The third interpretation is most likely, as it would fit into the story we know best. Peach, again, I find improbable; Mario is again acquitted due to his fight with DK. Luigi is again improbable as he was watching Mario fight DK when Dedede died. Red I find quite improbable, as he is the moral support for Luigi continuing his fight - and he seems to be the sole innocent character to reinforce Peach's early line about if you can hear one child's laughter everything is still not past redemption. Red is the personafication of this ideal in my mind, with Ness and Lucas appearing in episode four to remind Luigi of the line, what he was fighting for. Samus, in my mind, is a red herring - she seems a bit suspicious but she seems to be doing well financially, and the killings don't fit in with her character too well. You may cite her sending Luigi to Captain Falcon's bar, but the reason he was abducted by Gannon was simple - he went in to stir something up and draw the attention of a mob boss or someone important - which he did, due to Pit's call which we can only assume to have been to Gannon.
Now, for the theory I thought up half an hour ago whilst mowing the lawn - Wario is the most likely candidate. Many people have brushed the idea of Wario beign the culprit off, saying he has no motive. However, he may have gotten tired of people making fun of his brother, Waluigi, who is certainly not the brightest or most sane individual - notice how he reacts when Mario tells him to "say hello to your brother for me" in episode one. This leads us to several things. First, why Roy and Pichu? Quite simply, he wanted to make sure he would be capable before moving to the more imporant targets; it is also inferred that there were other victims of lower importance; perhaps Wario had been working his way up. The reason he simply cut them into tiny pieces was because they were not important - one of the things that differentiates them from Mewtwo and Dedede, even Yoshi. One of the things overlooked is that there was always some way to immediately identify, or have a general idea of, the victims after Roy and Pichu. First off, Mewtwo - Mewtwo was stuffed into a Pokeball, which was an immediate cause for the police to believe it to have been the remains of Mewtwo. Dedede is left with his hammer - and again, how is not as important as why; the only kink in the theory at this point is that Wario would have to manage to get in, dismember Dedede and get out either without beign noticed or without being suspected.Yoshi betrayed him by going back to Mario, and Wario would not have been pleased with that; he may also have wanted to get back at Mario for what can be interpreted as him making fun of Waluigi in the first episode. Yoshi's head, again was left to allow quick identification of the victim.
While Wario is making the most of the situation in that he is moving up, he is also showing people that everyone is the same inside, his point being that Waluigi, while lacking mentally, is still just as much a person as everyone else.

Anyways, that's the theory i thought up while mowing the lawn.
Also: Kirby, Ice Climbers? Total fucking Nightmare Fuel.

Oh, had to edit because I forgot - Olimar is also Nightmare Fuel Unleaded.

That brings up a good point actually. What happened to Waluigi? Was he always like that, or was it something that happened to him during the course of the Coral Cannibal's rampage?

And another thing, what if the killer is Waluigi?

Crunchjaw, your Wario theory might be the best one yet.

Although I'll point out that he didn't say "tiny cuts". It was "tiny guts".

Crunchjaw wrote:the only kink in the theory at this point is that Wario would have to manage to get in, dismember Dedede and get out either without beign noticed or without being suspected.

Then perhaps this is where the fishy business with Zelda that's been built up until this point comes in. Wario teleported into the fray in Episode 8 thanks to Zelda, and since the envelope that Lakitu gave to the brothers is apparently important stuff, then Wario probably convinced Shiek/Zelda to teleport himself and the Ice Climbers into Dedede's quarters, give them time to butcher him, and then leave, all in the course of a few minutes. It makes sense given that Shiek looks at Luigi while Link is yelling at her at the beginning of Episode 6 as if she knows more than she's letting on.

It could also explain why the police haven't been getting great leads, as Zelda is in a position to tamper with the evidence, what with being in charge of Link (come on, you really think he would've instilled the title of acting princess to Zelda on his own?). And perhaps they actually have a deal; Zelda helps Wario kill people and make a statement, and Wario will kidnap Peach and allow Zelda to claim the throne for herself. It works for both of them.

I think we've really hit a jackpot here...

lets say it is Meta Knight who got burned and Kirby is still out there.....my guess is that he'll find Luigi to completly fuck with his mind yet again, or go out to eat King Koopa

I don't know if someone else thought of this. If so, I'm way late, but here's what I think:

"The clues you seek were right there at the beginning. Waiting for you to see them. You have no idea how close you are." - Kirby

I think it's Kirby. He's the first menacing character really spoken about in depth when the series starts. Why does he leave the entrails? He wants to leave a message, IMO that message is that the victim was killed. Think about how Kirby attacks in his games. His very basic attack is to eat an opponent. Once he has them in his mouth, he has the option of eith swallowing...or SPITTING THEY'RE REMAINS OUT! This can explain the quick kill of Deedeedee. Granted in the games he spits out stars, but I can easily see the writers making the jump from cutesy stars to entrails. I think there's something to the multiple killers theory, also explained below.

Motive- Kirby, I think, was hired by Zelda, to neutrilize the power players in the impending street war. Zelda probably granted Kirby certain liberties in prison in exchange for his cooperation. I doubt Peach is dead, but I think Zelda is holding her in an undisclosed location while Kirby works. Zelda's motive would be to usurp (sp?) Peach's crown in this chaos and rule Mushroom kingdom. I think it was in the first episode, we hear Link going on about how awful it was to see Hyrule burn down and how he could do nothing to stop it. Link seems a little dirty, but what of Zelda? Where as Link was a knight errant, Hyrule was Zelda's kingdom. Would she go so far to rule a kingdom again? I suspect so.

Well, that's my two cents...

Crunchjaw wrote:stuff

Nice theory Crunchjaw, one of the best yet... it's spelled Ganon, btw =P

Sorry, I'm just a spelling nazi.

JonnyJinx wrote:

Crunchjaw wrote:stuff

Nice theory Crunchjaw, one of the best yet... it's spelled Ganon, btw =P

Sorry, I'm just a spelling nazi.

I'm a grammar/spelling nazi myself, so I can understand. Sorry for the offense.

Crunchjaw wrote:the only kink in the theory at this point is that Wario would have to manage to get in, dismember Dedede and get out either without beign noticed or without being suspected.

He could ahve had someone else do it for him. We know he has connections with Samus from episode three, and we know she was at DDD's brothel at the time he was killed.